Should Central Bucks Teachers Carry Guns?

Weigh in on whether you support teachers and staff carrying guns in Central Bucks schools.

Ed Mackouse stood before the Central Bucks School Board this week and said that teachers and administrators should carry guns in the district's schools.

"Everyone knows that the NRA is right. The only way to stop a gun is with another gun," said Mackouse, 69.

"We can’t afford to have too many armed professional guards," continued Mackouse, who lives in Buckingham, "and they’re not as good, they can’t tell the difference" between a threatening individual and parents and other school visitors.

So arming teachers and school staff is a good solution, Mackouse said.

The nine school board members made no comment on his suggestions Tuesday night, and no official action is on the table for Central Bucks.

But state legislators are talking about the issue, which was propelled to the forefront of public policy after the massacre of 20 first-graders and six educators on Dec. 14 at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn.

Newly elected state Rep. Greg Lucas, R-Erie, plans to introduce legislation that would make it legal for teachers and administrators to carry weapons in the classroom, reports Pennsylvania Independent.

"As we consider ways to improve school safety, I believe we have to consider trusting school personnel to serve as a first line of defense. We trust them to protect our children every day. I think we need to offer them the tools to carry out that sacred trust," Lucas wrote in a memo being circulated among members of the state House.

In addition, state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, R-Butler, plans to introduce legislation that would allow school districts to hire retired police officers and others with law-enforcement experience to guard schools.

Meanwhile, Central Bucks has moved ahead with one additional security measure. The district is spending about $11,500 to equip its 23 schools with a buzz-in locked entry system.

CB superintendent Dr. Rodney Green acknowledged that the buzzer system won't stop all threats but said it was "something we could do fairly inexpensively that would enhance" the district's other security procedures.

So, what do you think? How do we keep our children safe? Is arming teachers and school administrators a viable solution? Share your thoughts in the comments.

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Nicole January 26, 2013 at 01:36 AM
I think we need to put better security in place but that doesn't mean guns!Teachers are for giving our kids an education.Im all for bullet proff glass and metal detectors scanners that sort of thing.I would also be for teachers & staff members doing a self defense class.Teachers should be armed with the knowledge of how to talk to children and know who is in need of further help.We as parents should also watch and know who are kids friends are and keep our eyes open!I feel pretty good in who my kids have choosen as friends.Lets keep our eyes open and our ears!I pray that the goverment will make ar's illegal and get them off the streets.There is no reason for a home owner to have a milatery style gun!
Bettina January 26, 2013 at 04:05 AM
why not. We should have an "open carry" law in Bucks...everyone should carry a gun, lock in a holster attached to their waist for all too see. If we know everyone has a gun...who wants to pull the trigger first? lol
Anita Peters January 26, 2013 at 04:26 AM
Beautiful. I think that's how school used to be.....
Bill W. January 26, 2013 at 04:45 AM
As a 25-year educator, the mere discussion of this proposition makes me physically ill. There is absolutely NO place in any school for a firearm of any kind - period. It goes against everything that a place of education stands for, and it raises so may more security concerns than some people think it could solve. The day this is even considered is the day I walk out the door.
Kathe Everitt January 26, 2013 at 12:53 PM
Actually, the second amendment states: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Why does everyone leave out the dependent clause? Teachers are not a militia, well regulated or otherwise. If teachers want to legally and responsibly own guns at home, that's one thing. Making our schools an armed camp is something completely different. Maniacs breaking into schools with guns is very rare. Filling the schools with guns will only make gun tragedies in schools more frequent.
James Deno January 26, 2013 at 02:22 PM
First, you don't REQUIRE teachers to carry guns. Srictly volunteer. The gun would have to be concealled. If a teacher accidentally allowed the students to see the gun they would lose their right to carry in the school. Even if only one teacher in a school decided to carry it would have the same effect as having Sky Marshalls on planes. The crazies won't know who is armed and who's not. Designating any place "Gun Free" doesn't help anyone. Even if you were gun free, the worst thing you could do is advertise it!
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 03:16 PM
@Tracie - no one ever said "require". I'm all for teachers wanting to arm themselves should they CHOOSE to. If you choose to be a victim then you have made your choice.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 03:20 PM
Actually Nadia, open carry is legal throughout all of Pennsylvania. Some do carry their firearms openly, I am one of those people. And I have found that no one notices a gun on my hip because hey are too engrossed in their own little worlds to notice anything around them.
aaron January 26, 2013 at 03:22 PM
I just read a story on the Patch that an Allentown teacher was charged with sexual assault, just imagine if he had a gun. Do these Politicians even think, lets arm the teachers to sidestep the real issue, assault weapons.
SJV January 26, 2013 at 03:31 PM
The fact that they "only teach" is what makes them the perfect target. Why not allow them to voluntarily reduce their risk in this day in age?????
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 03:55 PM
To which countries are you referring to? Great Britain? Do a comparison of violent crime rates between the countries and see what comes up. And I'm not just talking murders by firearm. Look at everything and you will see that countries with strict gun laws DO NOT have lower violent crime rates. Look at Mexico... guns are outlawed there. Then look at their violent crime. The problem is CRIMINALS by definition don't follow laws.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 03:59 PM
And having a gun helps facilitate my right to live. You just mentioned several places that are designated as "gun-free zones." It has been proven time and time again that armed citizens help stop violent crimes. Yes, a maniac with a "high-capacity, semi-automatic" rifle can inflict a lot of damage. But if there was one person in that Aurora, CO movie theater with a concealed gun, he could have stopped the shooter and lessened the damage created. Same with Sandy Hook. An armed teacher could have stopped Adam Lanza, albeit not before he killed a few kids, but they could have lessened the damage he did inflict.
NBDavid January 26, 2013 at 04:01 PM
AMEN! To Nicole, pray that the citizens of this great country understand that what happened in Germany during Hitlers reign started with exactly what this current administration is trying to do, disarm the citizens, he who doesn't learn from history is bound to repeat it. Check history and you'll find that disarming the citizens is the first step in the government increasing controls. This conversation is not about banning guns it is about "should central bucks teachers carry guns" regardless of your feeling about the legallity of guns, every citizen by virtue of the 2nd amendment of our Constitution has the right to bear arms. It isn't a forced issue, it is a choice and if a teacher makes the choice to bear arms, it should be considered by the district and individual school. Gun Free only works for the good people, those who believe in the law.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:10 PM
I am not a teacher and I am not a law-enforcement officer. My expertise lies in computers. What I am is someone that carries a gun to protect myself and my family from those that choose to do harm to others. I carry a gun because the police have no duty to actually protect anyone. The Supreme Court said so. I carry a gun because police get to a crime scene after the crime has been committed. I carry a gun because carrying a police officer just isn't practical. Average police response time: 5 minutes Average .357 response time: 1,400 ft/sec. The average armed citizen has more training and more range time than the average police officer. I would rather have someone like me behind the trigger then your average cop. For example: Philly PD shot at a lone gunman 62 times... only 2 bullets hit the criminal. Same thin with NYPD... they shot at a criminal and ended up hitting innocent by-standards.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:12 PM
And yet, police have no duty to actually protect anyone... interesting. And you are right, it's not a teacher's job to shoot a gun. It would be their choice. Just like it's my choice to shoot a gun an be a responsible citizen.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:19 PM
First of all, Shiela, you need to stop suckling the teat of the liberal-biased media. "Automatic weapons" are already banned unless you apply for a NFA tax stamp, pay $200 for the paperwork and wait a year for the ATF to approve it. Then you have to spend $50,000 for that automatic weapon. Te latest shooting was with SEMI-automatic weapons, and common ones at that. Adam Lanza had mental problems and if his mother had locked up her legally owned firearms properly then he wouldn't have had access to them. I blame her, not the guns. The guns didn't simply walk into the school and start shooting. It is true we don't live in the wild west anymore... but look at crime statistics from back in those days. With everyone armed it was a much more peaceful society and it's Hollywood that makes these fake representations of what life was like. And people only remember events in history that are entertaining. Why do you think the news still goes by the credo "If it bleeds, it leads"? Because if the news only reported fluffy bunnies you'd get bored. The people like seeing death and destruction, it keeps their attention even if they find it repulsive.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:20 PM
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:23 PM
I agree Grace, but what child will willingly open up to a guidance counselor? A guidance counselor is not a psychologist and therefore not trained or certified to diagnose a mental illness. Guidance counselors have never served a purpose in any of the schools I went to.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:24 PM
Not one person has suggested that teachers be "required" to carry. It would be a choice.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:26 PM
This is where proper parenting comes into play. If parents would teach kids to have a healthy respect for firearms then they wouldn't be curious to want to play with one. At the same time if a home has children and readily accessible firearms, then those parents need a lesson in securing their firearms better.
Jeremy Beaver January 26, 2013 at 04:30 PM
Thank you sir. I'm with you 100%.
Pat Flynn January 27, 2013 at 03:28 AM
Mr Beaver I'm surprised to hear you went to school When will this country grow up on gun safety ?
Jeff Lugar January 27, 2013 at 12:58 PM
Of course kids could potentially get killed in crossfire. But so what? Better just three or four kids get caught in crossfire and killed than a gunman stroll around unchallenged and kill one or two dozen kids. The kids you're worried about getting caught in crossfire were going to be killed anyway.
Jane January 27, 2013 at 01:54 PM
Exactly - having firearms accessible is a bad thing around children. SO how helpful can those firearms possibly be in an emergency?!?! Does a shooter wait while you go grab the gun, unlock the case, get the separate storage for the ammo, unlock that, load the gun and shoot?
Maximusdecimus January 27, 2013 at 02:17 PM
Guns in schools may seem crazy, but is leaving hundreds of kids unprotected from the crazy people in the world less crazy? If we do not want to arm trained, evaluated, stable teachers with guns, the. We need to assign a full time police officer to every public school in the country. Leaving our kids unprotected in this crazy, violent world should not be an option!
Marc January 27, 2013 at 02:59 PM
Thank You! and the day this is happening, our kids go to a private school, what ever it costs us...
Maximusdecimus January 27, 2013 at 03:04 PM
Guns in schools may seem crazy, but is leaving hundreds of kids unprotected from the crazy people in the world less crazy? If we do not want to arm trained, evaluated, stable teachers with guns, the. We need to assign a full time police officer to every public school in the country. Leaving our kids unprotected in this crazy, violent world should not be an option
Jane January 27, 2013 at 03:07 PM
What seems even more crazy is tolerating a state of affairs where the crazy people in the world have access to guns. Just like more rain isn't the solution to a flood, more guns aren't the solution to gun violence. Oversimplified, of course.
Pam January 28, 2013 at 01:40 PM
@ Jeremy: Thank you for pointing out the difference between automatic and semi-automatic guns.The media portray semi-automatic guns as if they were machine guns- Something that has been illegal for the average joe for a long time. In the most basic terms the public has been misinformed as to what gun types are and the media build the hysteria on the misconceptions that they have bred. Automatic is like military only machine gun. Semi-automatic is one squeeze equals one bullet launched. Each bullet has to be chosen to be fired separately. Then the next bullet is brought up into the chamber (that's the semi-automoatic part). Completely non-automatic (fully manual) would be, I dunno 'George Washington style', where the user has to open a powder packet and stuff in the bullet and pack it down with a rod?? Two minutes in between bullets maybe.
K D February 01, 2013 at 06:57 PM
I am unsure what is best for school security enhancements above and beyond securing access but clearly many many layers of protection are needed. The world is full of nut cases and I don't see that changing... When I drop my sweet, completely innocent elementary aged daughter off each day at school, I want to know that she will be safe from harm....from nut cases. - So, what about mace guns for schools?? They are not deadly weapons but clearly would be effective at stalling an insane shooter. Mace guns shoot up to 20 ft., do not require good aim, and cause extreme eye and respiratory distress for up to 30 minutes. In my opinion, this approach sounds doable. Schools could decide who would have the mace guns, and where they would reside. If some crazy in-school kid got to one of these, no one would die as a result. Thoughts??


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