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Poll: Will the Route 202 Parkway Do Any Good?

The Route 202 Parkway opens today, but will it do what it was designed to do? Vote in our poll.

 
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The Route 202 Parkway, including this stretch near the Travis Manion Memorial Bridge in Doylestown Township, opens Monday, Dec. 3, 2012.
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The Route 202 Parkway opens today, but the finished road will look very different than the project that was first proposed decades ago.

Officials and dignitaries will have their say later, but we want to know what you think.

Will the new Parkway - with mostly two lanes, a 40-mile-per-hour speed limit and 10 signalized intersections - do what it was supposed to do? That is, relieve traffic congestion in Central Bucks and eastern Montgomery County?

Vote in our poll and let us know what you think.

  • Will the new Route 202 Parkway Relieve Traffic Congestion in Central Bucks?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes; even a 2-lane, 40 mph road will help
        6 (20%)
    • No; they should have made it a 4-lane expressway
        21 (72%)
    • Not sure: I'll explain in the comments
        2 (6%)
    Total votes: 29
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Central Bucks traffic, Doylestown, Montgomeryville, and route 202 parkway

Sandra Alford

8:09 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

The traffic lights which have been installed are going to make travel time just as slow.

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Laura

8:39 am on Monday, December 3, 2012

I am hoping it helps with traffic, but I was stunned to see that there are no shoulders, at least in the Doylestown/Chalfont area. What is going to happen when a car breaks down or if there is an accident and emergency vehicles need to get through? Am I missing something?

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GREG CHES

12:32 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I am also amazed PennDOT would a road with no shoulders. PA has the poorest next to WVa.

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David Neamand

4:12 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

In the short run there will perhaps be an easing of traffic on Upper State and old 202 however I think the lights on all roads going opposite will slow down 152, County Line, and Norristown roads. So it is a trade off. Eventually the new 202 will become clogged as a 2 lane road with fancy landscaping how could it not? As to the comments about shoulders, perhaps the shoulders were sacrificed in leau of the fancy and costly landscaping.

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Jeff Lugar

4:53 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I was just in the inaugural caravan from crossing over 611, and the no shoulders feels to me like a safety measure. The road is narrow, and I think the lack of shoulders, along with fences and other elements, just mentally makes you want to go slow. It's a claustrophic road, to be sure.

Steven Bohnel

6:03 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

It's not worth it. No shoulders was a bad idea, and the traffic light on lower state road will probably slow things down in that area.

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ToolFoole

6:48 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I agree that it should have been a four lane limited access 55mph expressway, but it will relieve congestion, nonetheless. Don't forget that the old Dublin Pike Route 202 still exists. Assuming that the same amount of rush hour commuter traffic exists, it will now be divided between the two routes. The poll asks whether the parkway will "relieve" congestion, not whether it will eliminate congestion, as the expressway would have.

As far as the 40mph speed limit is concerned, being in the inaugural caravan myself, as well, I witnessed people already exceeding the limit by ten to twenty mph before we even got to the light at County Line Road! Amazing! If nothing else, that should provide plenty of revenue for the townships along the route, assuming that the police can find a shoulder to which to pull over offenders.

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NJinPA

6:49 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

It remains to be seen, but 10 (that's what was reported) traffic lights in an eight mile stretch? All pf them being an additional traffic light on the crossroads? and no room for breakdowns? Any accident or breakdown will tie up traffic with only twolanes and no shoulder of any value... I just don't see it helping. But now we have it, so we shall see.

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Jeff Lugar

7:11 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

There are lights at: Lower State, Bristol, Likekiln, County Line, Horsham, Costco, and Knapp.

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ToolFoole

7:18 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

True enough, but I guess I'm a little biased because I have to sit in Chalfont traffic most mornings on my commute to work. It's got to help relieve the traffic in that area. It's better than nothing! This route took 80 years (1932) to come to fruition. Maybe in another 80 years they'll replace it with a twelve lane 120mph super highway. Some will probably complain that that's not enough.

We can blame Buckingham Twp. for "rancorous and relentless" opposition to the expressway (as expressed by the federal district court judge who rejected Buckingham's lawsuit).

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NJinPA

5:57 pm on Thursday, December 6, 2012

All rightey, I drove on it both ways from 611 to 309 yesterday. It is a lovely road, aesthetically speaking, and I enjoyed driving it (other than hitting every darn light save one). On the other hand, the limited access and lack of vehicles coming onto the highway from shopping centers and small side roads was definitely a plus and makes for a safer drive. Is it traffic game changer for the old 202? Not convinced. People coming from Lansdale direction aren't going to want to deal with the rush hour traffic from the section of 309 from five points to the parkway, so will likely just peel off onto the old 202, for starters. Is it dangerous? Very possibly. Lots of hills and curves... Imagine ice and snow... they will have to be on top of the weather to keep it safe to drive on. The bike lane is nice, but there really is no room for error and imho could have been done in the walking area (kept separate by a solid line, just as it is on the road). Not that biking is the preferred mode of travel in the USA, so it's not likely to be crowded with bike riders, but one distracted driver passing a bike rider... Swerving a little... I shudder. I will definitely use ot over the old 202 for heading in that direction, but am still skeptical that it will achieve the goal of easing trtaffic congestion on the old 202.

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NJinPA

6:05 pm on Thursday, December 6, 2012

Oh and I meant to add, regarding bikes... Part of my problem with the bike lane is that Americans in general don't seem to see the need to "share the road". I doubt that we (in general) will see the bike lane as a bike lane, more likely we will see it as a shoulder area for automobiles (despite all the reminders painted directly onto the pavement). It would be nice if people would be more open to the idea of sharing the road with bikes. That's a two way street of course, but I see more rude car drivers than rude bike riders, and the general attitude seems to be "cars own the road". :-( okee dokee, will sit on my hands now. :-)

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ToolFoole

7:00 pm on Thursday, December 6, 2012

As I was driving home from work tonight, I thought of another issue regarding bicyclists riding on the shoulders on the parkway. The shoulders are only five feet wide, but a new "Four Foot Safe Passing Law" went into effect in PA on April 2, 2012. Assuming that some drivers obey that law, it will cause traffic backups as they wait (traveling at the biker's speed) for oncoming traffic to clear so that they may cross over the double yellow line to provide the mandated four foot clearance. But, more likely, less responsible drivers will be either crossing the double yellow line at inopportune times (oncoming traffic) or coming too close to the bicyclists. Both of these infractions are also likely to happen at relatively high speeds, as well. This is a recipe for disaster. It seems to me that this new law was not taken into consideration when it was decided to designate the shoulders as biking lanes. The law and the five foot wide shoulders are incompatible, IMHO.

Mark Glidden

7:28 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

I agree that the lack of a shoulder does make the road seem a bit claustrophobic, I drove it tonight and I hope they plan on timing the lights, I hit everyone. It is going to help Upper State and 202 but in Chalfont I think 152 may be a bigger issue than 202 and I don't see if having any affect at all unless more drivers opt to to out to Countyline Road to go north and not take 152. For what it's worth the lack of a shoulder does make you feel that at 40mph you really should not go any faster. As soon as it opened to 4 lanes at Countyline Road west I saw cars take off like rockets

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Sharon Shaw

8:22 pm on Monday, December 3, 2012

Who exactly is this road designed for: a student who lives in the town houses by Costco and wants to ride their bike to class at Del Val? It does little for my commute to Norristown each day; I have been taking Upper State road which has just as many stop signs and is 5mph slower, but at least I can stop for coffee or gas. Probably the only time I'll take it is when I find myself stuck behind a school bus.

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Jules

10:07 am on Tuesday, December 4, 2012

I'm not sure the intent of the construction of this road was to help each individual commuter... rather to ease congestion on the one-lane roads we all wend our way through. I can only hope it does that...

J.K. Beaver

2:13 pm on Thursday, December 6, 2012

I have been on the newly opened 202 Parkway. To say the design is stupid is being nice. The roadway is too narrow. There is no shoulder only a very narrow bike path. If there an accident both directions will be blocked. This is more like a back road rather a main thoroughfare.
I know the road will help, but it is dangerous.

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feisty

4:20 pm on Wednesday, December 12, 2012

Thank goodness for Buckingham Twp. and its rancorous and relentless lawsuits. I wish more communities had the balls to try to stop any kind of road. It is laughable that not one comment isn't peppered with cynicism. Perhaps some of the those commenting are the very same people that voted for a parkway now systematically being picked apart. Silly, silly humanity.

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