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Should Central Bucks Teachers Carry Guns?

Weigh in on whether you support teachers and staff carrying guns in Central Bucks schools.

 

Ed Mackouse stood before the Central Bucks School Board this week and said that teachers and administrators should carry guns in the district's schools.

"Everyone knows that the NRA is right. The only way to stop a gun is with another gun," said Mackouse, 69.

"We can’t afford to have too many armed professional guards," continued Mackouse, who lives in Buckingham, "and they’re not as good, they can’t tell the difference" between a threatening individual and parents and other school visitors.

So arming teachers and school staff is a good solution, Mackouse said.

The nine school board members made no comment on his suggestions Tuesday night, and no official action is on the table for Central Bucks.

But state legislators are talking about the issue, which was propelled to the forefront of public policy after the massacre of 20 first-graders and six educators on Dec. 14 at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn.

Newly elected state Rep. Greg Lucas, R-Erie, plans to introduce legislation that would make it legal for teachers and administrators to carry weapons in the classroom, reports Pennsylvania Independent.

"As we consider ways to improve school safety, I believe we have to consider trusting school personnel to serve as a first line of defense. We trust them to protect our children every day. I think we need to offer them the tools to carry out that sacred trust," Lucas wrote in a memo being circulated among members of the state House.

In addition, state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, R-Butler, plans to introduce legislation that would allow school districts to hire retired police officers and others with law-enforcement experience to guard schools.

Meanwhile, Central Bucks has moved ahead with one additional security measure. The district is spending about $11,500 to equip its 23 schools with a buzz-in locked entry system.

CB superintendent Dr. Rodney Green acknowledged that the buzzer system won't stop all threats but said it was "something we could do fairly inexpensively that would enhance" the district's other security procedures.

So, what do you think? How do we keep our children safe? Is arming teachers and school administrators a viable solution? Share your thoughts in the comments.


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Scott Rubel

6:56 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Simple, safe & cost-effective. We have to take care of our own.

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Richard

11:30 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

I think a program similar to the armed pilot program would be very effective. Teachers should be offered the opportunity to receive training and even a stipend to purchase a sidearm.

Needless to say, the "gun free zone" signs will have to be removed....which is a good thing since the signs mean "target rich environment" to the crazies.

Donna Galanti

7:05 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

NO WAY! This is ridiculous. I dont want my son going to school with teachers that carry guns like its some prison. Do you have any idea what this problems would open up? Scenarios of teachers taking matters into their own hands, students wrestling the gun away from the teacher to use on their own. I would never have a gun in my house so why do I want one in my son's classroom?

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aaron

10:22 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I just read a story on the Patch that an Allentown teacher was charged with sexual assault, just imagine if he had a gun. Do these Politicians even think, lets arm the teachers to sidestep the real issue, assault weapons.

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Maximusdecimus

9:17 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Guns in schools may seem crazy, but is leaving hundreds of kids unprotected from the crazy people in the world less crazy? If we do not want to arm trained, evaluated, stable teachers with guns, the. We need to assign a full time police officer to every public school in the country. Leaving our kids unprotected in this crazy, violent world should not be an option!

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Jane

10:07 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

What seems even more crazy is tolerating a state of affairs where the crazy people in the world have access to guns. Just like more rain isn't the solution to a flood, more guns aren't the solution to gun violence. Oversimplified, of course.

Jeff Lugar

7:12 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

They shouldn't be required, but there's nothing wrong with them carrying a gun if they want.

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Sean Indignado Kitchen

7:40 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Schools are gun free zones, so NO they shouldn't be allowed to carry on a campus or school building. We all know what happens when there are people in the way of or near a shooter - people get in caught in the cross fire.

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Jeff Lugar

7:58 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Of course kids could potentially get killed in crossfire. But so what? Better just three or four kids get caught in crossfire and killed than a gunman stroll around unchallenged and kill one or two dozen kids. The kids you're worried about getting caught in crossfire were going to be killed anyway.

Dave Meiser

7:28 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

NO way, Schools should not be location where weapons are allowed at all, this is a knee jerk reaction to the shootings. Other measures should be taken before weapons are put into schools. Actions such as locked doors and only single entry points for visitors. Having weapons in school will not stop massacres like what happened in Newtown People don't think of all the consequences and take a rational look at the risks.

Liability insurance for schools will skyrocket if individual teachers are allowed to carry weapons. And that means higher taxes for everyone.

The answer to more weapons has never been more weapons.

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Nancy

7:37 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Seriously, what has become of our society where places of learning now have to have educators, whose role it is to teach, wielding weapons in order to to do their jobs. What other country do you hear of where it is required for teachers or even contempleted that teachers have to include in their resume their prowess with fire arms except for places we hopefully would choose not to align ourselves with in regards to their safety records. Perhaps we should seek a totally comprehensive umbrella and arm day care workers and pre school aides with guns as well.

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Ryan

8:07 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

This is very poorly thought out and barely deserves discussion..... Making guns more available (by allowing teachers to bring them into schools) will only cause more disasters like Newtown CT. I can almost guarantee that there are mentally unbalanced teachers and children in our district (possibly with anger management problems), and by putting guns nearby these individuals, we would be asking for trouble.
What a horrible suggestion this is.......

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David Holewinski

8:11 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

I agree with Jeff, teachers and administrators should be able to carry a gun if they are trained and want to. Sean Kitchen, doesn't it seem strange that most of the attacks occur in "gun free" zones, someone bent on shooting would much rather know that there isn't going to be anyone with a weapon in the area they choose as their target. Again, the person in the school that is going to carry must be trained and know how to secure their gun so it doesn't get stolen or drops out. They must also pass a test to insure they do not have mental problems. It sure would have helped in many of the mass murder situations. Google guns save lives and get a real education on what happens when someone is prepared to defend themselves and others.

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Alice Vernon

8:24 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Absolutely NO. This is America. We do not educate our kids behind barbed wire, or in the presence of guns. A buzzer system sounds like common sense.

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Jeremy Beaver

1:42 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

A buzzer system won't stop someone from breaking a window. As for prisonesque education? We're already there. Every new school I see being built looks like a prison, just without barbed wire. There are metal detectors and ID badges and the food is on par with prison food. There is nothing wrong with the presence of guns. More people are armed than you realize. I would wager that a good number of those teaching our kids are armed outside of school.

No one is suggesting that the teachers walk around in tac vests and carrying automatic weapons. Carrying a concealed firearm is just that... CONCEALED! If it's CONCEALED no one will know its there. And no one is suggesting to arm ALL teachers, only those that choose to be.

Ken Klinkner

12:55 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Where are the teachers going to carry / keep the guns in the classroom? Are they going to wear holsters? Leave them in their desks? What's to prevent a student from taking a gun and hurting themselves or someone else?

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Nick Cutrone

8:35 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

No way. I am all for people to have guns. But the kid with a lot of issues will be able to overtake the teacher for the gun. Also if someone wants to bring a gun in to school they will. They should just have the Guidance counselors actually do there job. they should make it mandatory for each student once a month to have to see there counselor. See what is going on in these kids minds. Become someone for them to talk to. If need be hire more counselors. If the kids seem to have issues see them once a week. Don't wait for something to go wrong to talk to a kid. Also hire more security guards. And a security guard that monitors cameras. If no cameras get them installed. not to watch the kids but the outside of the building and the entrance ways. Even the hallways if needed. but not the classrooms.

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Bob

8:38 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Why is this even being discussed, teachers teach....they are not police. A few incidents over a few decades although sad, shouldnt cause us to flip our schools upside down with security measures. Teachers having guns is not the fix for one off incidents... knowing my teachers growing up i wouldnt trust any of them 50 ft away from a gun.

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Jeremy Beaver

1:51 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

If teachers are going to teach, then they should be teaching the Constitution and Bill of Rights where it clearly states "right to bear arms shall not be infringed."

And you're right, teachers are not police... oh wait... they kind of are. They "police" those in their care by enforcing the rules... hmm, interesting.

If you don't agree with that, then your are entitled to your opinion. However, being armed is protection for yourself and the ones close to you. We have a inalienable right for self-preservation. On top of that PA is a Castle Doctorine state which allows one to protect themselves where ever they are.

Everyone should have he option for self protection at home, at work, on the road... where ever.

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SJV

10:31 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

The fact that they "only teach" is what makes them the perfect target. Why not allow them to voluntarily reduce their risk in this day in age?????

PJ

8:40 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

ok so let's just say for a moment that this teachers wielding guns gets ok'd. Two issues I have with that is 1-teachers will leave them in unlocked desks or purse during the school day giving opportunity to any unstable person with a motive. 2-Will that mean that since I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and a hunter's license, I can bring my gun to school with me when I pick up my kids in the office for their dentist appt? Ok, then well how about my AK-47 can I bring that too? how about the hunting riffle with laser scope? how about my competition guns, I have trophies to prove I'm a very good shot? Will the kids feel safer seeing an adult walk into the school with a large gun over their arm? Or will it make them more fearful? I'm guessing "B", more fearful. If I can't legally bring my guns into school then I think the teachers can't either. 'Gun free zone' is free of guns for EVERYONE, not just the visitors. Are metal detectors so expensive that we can't consider them as an option? Their sensitivity can be set to alarm at large pieces of metal, not just girl's earrings.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:44 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

"...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." With that being said regulations can be added to allow only concealed carry. However, in this day and age kids are so desensitized thanks to TV, movies, games and the news that simply seeing someone carrying a weapon for self-defense isn't all that fearful.

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Kathe Everitt

7:53 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Actually, the second amendment states: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Why does everyone leave out the dependent clause? Teachers are not a militia, well regulated or otherwise. If teachers want to legally and responsibly own guns at home, that's one thing. Making our schools an armed camp is something completely different. Maniacs breaking into schools with guns is very rare. Filling the schools with guns will only make gun tragedies in schools more frequent.

DPB

9:13 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Yes, change the law so it is legal for a teacher or administrator to carry a gun. It is common sense that it is needed, unfortunately. They have a right per the Constitution to bear arms to protect the children and themselves.

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Theatreguy

9:12 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

No. We are carrying this issue too far. We need to get rid if guns not give people more authority to carry them. Other countries have these strickter laws and their rates of violence is so low. When will this country get it? My fear is never.

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Jeremy Beaver

10:55 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

To which countries are you referring to? Great Britain? Do a comparison of violent crime rates between the countries and see what comes up. And I'm not just talking murders by firearm. Look at everything and you will see that countries with strict gun laws DO NOT have lower violent crime rates. Look at Mexico... guns are outlawed there. Then look at their violent crime. The problem is CRIMINALS by definition don't follow laws.

Randy Macon

9:29 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

No, a teacher with a holstered weapon, or a weapon in a desk cannot defeat a maniac with a semi-automatic, large magazine weapon in time to stop multiple casualties. Even if it would work, what of movie theaters, summer camps, fun centers and the like. Shall we have armed people everywhere? Take guns away from dangerous people, and if that's not enough ban all weapons capable of such violence. No one's right to a gun is more important than anyone's right to live.

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Jeremy Beaver

10:59 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

And having a gun helps facilitate my right to live. You just mentioned several places that are designated as "gun-free zones." It has been proven time and time again that armed citizens help stop violent crimes. Yes, a maniac with a "high-capacity, semi-automatic" rifle can inflict a lot of damage. But if there was one person in that Aurora, CO movie theater with a concealed gun, he could have stopped the shooter and lessened the damage created. Same with Sandy Hook. An armed teacher could have stopped Adam Lanza, albeit not before he killed a few kids, but they could have lessened the damage he did inflict.

Wilma Fingerdoo

9:53 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

The desire to increase school security after Newtown is understandable, but short-sighted. As tragic as it was, it is precisely because it was so shocking and emotional that we be should be especially careful of rushing through extreme security policies that we will have to live with for a very long time. Right now Central Bucks is in the process of implementing the following new security measures: Locked entrances with buzzer entry.

Before we move to turn our schools into fortresses, we should bear in mind that they are already very safe. According to the Department of Education’s figures, rates of violent crimes in school are low, with only 14 incidents per 1000 in 2010, compared to 53 per 1000 back in 1992. Incidents like the one in Newtown are so incredibly rare, it’s difficult to find an adequate comparison. But one criminologist, Gary Kleck estimates that our children are more likely to be hit by lightning than shot in school. In other words, it would be hard to make our children safer than they already are.

More importantly, this security comes at a terrible price. Schools are where we pass on our collective wisdom and values. By treating parents and other members of the community as suspects, we are effectively saying that safety matters more than everything else. Excessive security institutionalizes suspicion.

Don't implement new procedures just for the sake of “doing something.” The best “something” to do is to resist the urge to overreact.

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P. A. M.

12:56 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Absolutely this. I am a patriot, too. I defend a child's, a teacher's, administator's, etc right to be in a school, and be safe from gun violence.
While we cannot predict when an unstable person might march off toward a school intent on massacre, but we CAN predict & therefore prevent the gun injury & death that would result from teachers/personnel carrying firearms in schools.
Preventing unauthorized access to schools, general preparedness & response drills, sure.

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Jane

2:55 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

This is one of the BEST comments or articles, including from professional journalists, with some of the most responsible thinking I've seen on the topic. I've been very pro-law changes, but your first paragraph reminds me of the flaw in that reaction and is very persuasive. Thank you for writing this. Well said.

David B. Piccone

9:55 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

As a hunter who happens to own a few personal firearms, I believe it is misguided to arm teachers in a school environment where safety for everyone should be paramount. Training programs sound great in discussion but, how will you be able to measure the efficacy of the program irt to the risk of accidental discharge, misplaced firearms, required recurrency, etc. Furthermore, the liability to the school district and the individual teachers will be overwhelming not considering the cost to implement a program like this. No one wants any more tragedies to occur. Arming the teachers of a school district doesn't solve the mental health issue which is a greater threat.

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janet kelly

10:05 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Even in The Old West, the marshall ordered them to check their guns at the "deadline." They understood the problems of having guns among a community.

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Jeannine Mitchell

10:23 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Children and staff in schools need to feel safe in order to go about the business of education. Security measures are important, surely. But teachers are not law-enforcement officers. Their expertise lies in nurturing and encouraging learning. Their heroism is quiet and steady, on display in classrooms across the country every day as they teach reading, writing, math, science, music, art, and responsible citizenship. To arm a teacher is to undercut the purpose of schools. It is a repulsive, knee-jerk reaction to suggest that guns are the answer to tragedy. It is grossly irresponsible to suggest that weapons belong in classrooms.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:10 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I am not a teacher and I am not a law-enforcement officer. My expertise lies in computers. What I am is someone that carries a gun to protect myself and my family from those that choose to do harm to others.

I carry a gun because the police have no duty to actually protect anyone. The Supreme Court said so.
I carry a gun because police get to a crime scene after the crime has been committed.
I carry a gun because carrying a police officer just isn't practical.

Average police response time: 5 minutes
Average .357 response time: 1,400 ft/sec.

The average armed citizen has more training and more range time than the average police officer. I would rather have someone like me behind the trigger then your average cop. For example: Philly PD shot at a lone gunman 62 times... only 2 bullets hit the criminal. Same thin with NYPD... they shot at a criminal and ended up hitting innocent by-standards.

Denise Nahoom

10:42 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Absolutely NOT! Police and armed security carry guns, that is their job. It is NOT a teacher's job to shoot a gun nor to protect children from mass murderers. This is a ludicrous solution and yet truly sad that some consider this feasible.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:12 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

And yet, police have no duty to actually protect anyone... interesting. And you are right, it's not a teacher's job to shoot a gun. It would be their choice. Just like it's my choice to shoot a gun an be a responsible citizen.

Sheila Singer

11:12 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

What have we come to, that we would even be considering this? Is seems to me that there are already too many guns in circulation now. The latest shooter had mental problems AND access to an automatic weapon. Isn't the the crux of the matter? Having more guns, more automatic weapons has only led to more people who should never own a gun, having access to one. I support securing the schools with an entry process and procedures, not requiring teachers to become peace officers. I have lived 75 years without ever needing to reach for a gun. And i do not intend to ever do so in the future. What would the image of a teacher with a gun, teach a child? The thought of passing through a town or city where everyone is "packing" is just plain crazy. We are not living in the wild west.

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Bill M

2:00 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Actually, Sheila Singer, regardless of what the press may have inferred, he did NOT have access to automatic weapons. Recently released information from NBC shows that no "Assault Weapon" was used in the incident. http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-in-newtown-shooting/

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Sarah Larson

2:30 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Bill, if you read all the way down to the bottom of that link, there's a correction: "Editor’s note: Connecticut State Police have confirmed that Adam Lanza did, in fact, use a Bushmaster .223 high capacity rifle and two hand guns. As far as we can tell, NBC has not issued a retraction."

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Bill M

2:59 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Sarah, Yet earlier this week the Ct. State Police issued another statement that they actually took the AR from his vehicle. Which, since he killed himself in the school, would have been very difficult for him to use.

In all reality, I'm having problems with the police issuing statement 1 in the morning, then statement 2, which refutes statement 1, later that day. They need to just be quiet until they have all of the facts. :s

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Jeremy Beaver

11:19 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

First of all, Shiela, you need to stop suckling the teat of the liberal-biased media. "Automatic weapons" are already banned unless you apply for a NFA tax stamp, pay $200 for the paperwork and wait a year for the ATF to approve it. Then you have to spend $50,000 for that automatic weapon.

Te latest shooting was with SEMI-automatic weapons, and common ones at that. Adam Lanza had mental problems and if his mother had locked up her legally owned firearms properly then he wouldn't have had access to them. I blame her, not the guns. The guns didn't simply walk into the school and start shooting.

It is true we don't live in the wild west anymore... but look at crime statistics from back in those days. With everyone armed it was a much more peaceful society and it's Hollywood that makes these fake representations of what life was like. And people only remember events in history that are entertaining. Why do you think the news still goes by the credo "If it bleeds, it leads"? Because if the news only reported fluffy bunnies you'd get bored. The people like seeing death and destruction, it keeps their attention even if they find it repulsive.

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PJ

8:40 am on Monday, January 28, 2013

@ Jeremy:
Thank you for pointing out the difference between automatic and semi-automatic guns.The media portray semi-automatic guns as if they were machine guns- Something that has been illegal for the average joe for a long time. In the most basic terms the public has been misinformed as to what gun types are and the media build the hysteria on the misconceptions that they have bred. Automatic is like military only machine gun. Semi-automatic is one squeeze equals one bullet launched. Each bullet has to be chosen to be fired separately. Then the next bullet is brought up into the chamber (that's the semi-automoatic part). Completely non-automatic (fully manual) would be, I dunno 'George Washington style', where the user has to open a powder packet and stuff in the bullet and pack it down with a rod?? Two minutes in between bullets maybe.

Boro Patriot

11:32 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

I think it's a completely appropriate idea. We currently have armed guards protecting our College Students, as well as Banks and Shopping Malls. My 2nd Amendment right gives me the power to protect myself, my family and the people around me, whether in public or at home.

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Jim Donovan

12:55 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Considering that two New York City police officers killed and wounded bystanders, is this a question we really want to ask?

A better solution would be to identify ex-military employees, regardless of their job, and arm them while keeping their identity secret.
This would accomplish virtually the same thing with less risk.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:38 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

As a gun owner and 2nd Amendment supporter I have no problems if my kids went to a school where the teachers were armed. There are many teachers out there that already own and carry weapons. Just because they are teachers doesn't mean they don't have the same right to defend themselves.

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Tracie Lamb

3:32 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

But to require us to be armed is a violation of MY rights as I am not a gun owner, nor do I want to be. I went into teaching to educate children. I will not carry a gun to do so.

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Jeremy Beaver

10:16 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

@Tracie - no one ever said "require". I'm all for teachers wanting to arm themselves should they CHOOSE to. If you choose to be a victim then you have made your choice.

Bo Justified

12:07 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

It's 2013 folks, not 1863. This mere thought is a repulsive and shows how backwards our society is trending. As a teacher this mere proposition makes me sick.

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Jeremy Beaver

1:26 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

If you choose not to defend yourself and your loved ones, that is your prerogative. As for society's trending? I'm fairly certain that society has had an upward trend since 1863. What is this "backwards" you speak of? You mean because people exercise their rights to defend themselves? Who refuse to be a victim of someone that doesn't follow laws? Why should those teaching our children be forced to disarm? Even if they aren't protecting the children in their care, they should be allowed to protect themselves. Gun-free school zones don't work because criminals don't read signs and they don't care about laws. Any "gun-free zone" should be relabeled as "Attention criminals: everyone here has been disarmed for your convenience"

Anita Peters

12:30 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

So if a teacher becomes disgruntled he will already be armed and dangerous. Lord help us and save us!

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Jeremy Beaver

1:35 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

I read disgruntled as "angry or dissatisfied." If a teacher is "angry or dissatisfied" to the point of physical violence then that is a mental health problem. And I see that as a problem of the school district for hiring a teacher that is prone to fits of violent rage. If you have a violent tendency towards anger then being a teacher is the wrong profession.

Everyone I've ever worked with has had a period of being "disgruntled", but because we are sane individuals we don't act out is a violent manner and shoot up the workplace. Why? Because we are responsible gun owners and don't have a mental deficiency where we would murder anyone.

Grace

1:09 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Arm school counselors and psychologists with the time to meet with, counsel, and provide support for those students who are identified as exhibiting anti-social behavior . Arm them with administrative support to do what they are trained for instead of using them for scheduling and constant testing. Arm them to get at the core of mental health concerns in our schools without the red tape.
Guns? No.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:23 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

I agree Grace, but what child will willingly open up to a guidance counselor? A guidance counselor is not a psychologist and therefore not trained or certified to diagnose a mental illness. Guidance counselors have never served a purpose in any of the schools I went to.

Art Waite

1:40 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

This is a test to see if my Patch account works. Thanks

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Mary Amos

2:15 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

No way should guns be in schools. Not in the hands of teachers, administrative staff, or armed professionals. The idea of guns in schools frightens me to the core: one missed placed key, one unlocked drawer, a broken into gun cabinet.......a tradegy happened, please don't cause another to occur.

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Madeline Rawley

2:31 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

If teachers are required to carry guns, they will need to be licensed and trained and probably required to take target practice every month.

As a retired teacher, I know how unrealistic and wrong this idea is. There should not be any guns in a classroom.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:24 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Not one person has suggested that teachers be "required" to carry. It would be a choice.

Jane

2:43 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

I would not send my child to a school where weapons were readily available. If the weapons are available enough to be quickly accessed in an emergency, then they are available enough to be accessible by children. I would not send my child to a HOME where weapons were readily accessible. If others want to leave loaded weapons within reach of kids, let them play russian roulette with their own kids' lives. I've already grieved one child.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:26 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

This is where proper parenting comes into play. If parents would teach kids to have a healthy respect for firearms then they wouldn't be curious to want to play with one. At the same time if a home has children and readily accessible firearms, then those parents need a lesson in securing their firearms better.

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Jane

8:54 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Exactly - having firearms accessible is a bad thing around children. SO how helpful can those firearms possibly be in an emergency?!?! Does a shooter wait while you go grab the gun, unlock the case, get the separate storage for the ammo, unlock that, load the gun and shoot?

Susan Bingler

3:03 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

The buzzers at the entrance of schools are a good idea to protect the office personnel of the schools. For the past several years,our elementary schools have had the policy of visitors (including family) have to enter through the office of the school and sign in to be admitted into the school. It certainly seems that those office workers might be safer if they could choose who comes into their space. They are very vulnerable if a person wishing to do harm comes throught the door.

In the past, I worked in a hospital for persons who were being treated for psychiatric problems. I was that person behind the desk. I had a panic button which was installed under my desk which I could push in case I was threatened or if someone was out of control. It would be a good idea for the office personnel to have such a tool connected to the police and perhaps someone in the building who was in charge of security.

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Bill M

3:03 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Jane, You can have any product that is readily available yet still be locked in such a way that only those who are authorized have access. I'm sure that there are items in your own household that you and your husband use but are locked up so that the kids can not access them, I know that is true in my house. Why would it differ in school? I would also submit to you that there are retention holsters that are made so that only the individual wearing the holster can access the firearm. They are used and issued to the police who are much more apt to get into a physical confrontation where their firearm may be grabbed than any teacher would get into.

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Jane

3:07 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

By definition, the things that are locked up cannot be immediately accessed - there's a delay. It's never an emergency to get to the bleach or ammonia immediately, or to the records in the safety deposit box. If the purpose of arming teachers is the speed and immediacy of their response, properly securing the guns and separating them from the ammunition would make the response time likely too long to serve any significant protective purpose.

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Jane

3:09 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

(And so, one might say, don't separate the gun and the ammunition. Don't lock it up. Keep it in a holster, as you mentioned. All that assumes either (a) that our teachers are able to, or we are willing to bear the expense of, incorporating a degree of weapons training equivalent to the police or military, or (b) that the speed of accessibility is in direct tension with ease of access to others, as per my initial comment. Either way, it's a completely impractical and unreasonably dangerous morass of insanity.)

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Wilma Fingerdoo

5:25 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

No retention holster or other gun safety can prevent human error.
http://www.inquisitr.com/487693/school-security-guard-accidentally-leaves-gun-in-bathroom/
Again, our schools are not war zones. They are not under attack. We do not need an army of teachers with guns. Put down your pitchforks.

Tracie Lamb

3:29 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

As a teacher, what about my rights? I am anti-gun. Why on earth should my rights be infringed upon because the NRA refuses to be reasonable?? Where are we keeping these guns, because I will not bring one into my house? Who is paying for them, since they aren't cheap? And when do I train with this gun- on my own time? We are educators, not police or military. This is the most ill thought out, ignorant idea I have ever heard. God forbid a kid manages to get a gun from a teacher and kills someone with it- wonder whose fault that would be???? So over 7 million teachers should have their rights infringed upon to appease the 4 million members of the NRA???

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Boro Patriot

3:52 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Tracie.. This has nothing to do with the NRA. Multiple school districts it many States have been planning to implement at the minimum, armed guards, long before the NRA decided to state the obvious. I hope your not teaching one of my kids...

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Jane

3:55 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

This so-called "Patriot" sure has funny ideas about patriotism and freedom if militarized schools floats his boat. I sure hope he doesn't want to take my tax dollars to put jackboots in our schools. Surveillance on the streets, naked pictures to get on airplanes, armed guards in schools.... let freedom ring?!?

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Tracie Lamb

4:20 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Boro "patriot"- First, the NRA is partially responsible- because of this group we have no reasonable gun control. With reasonable gun control, as seen in other parts of the world, these incidents can be prevented. Second, I didn't mention armed guards- I am speaking of my rights as a NON gun owner. I will not be forced to carry a gun. Why is it that those with guns say they will not be forced to give them up, but feel they can force others to carry them??? And my opinions have nothing to do with my teaching ability; really an insult is not necessary. Especially one that is not grammatically correct.

CivicRepublican

5:18 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Yeah! Right! Better to have universal military service @ 18 - for all high school grads - & let them "serve" in the halls of America's schools! Semper fi!

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Leleu Rentals

5:26 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Removing the bible from school and giving Guns to teachers?
What is wrong with people today?
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Leleu Rentals

5:27 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

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Anita Peters

11:26 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Beautiful. I think that's how school used to be.....

Tim McCann

6:00 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Conservatives don't trust teachers enough to let them teach evolution, but you somehow have no problem asking them to be a SWAT team? Anything wrong with this picture?

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DPB

7:56 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

Tracie- The discussion is whether the law should allow a teacher or admin. to carry a gun in school for protection. No one would force you to do so. If we can't afford to have armed law enforcement in school, then maybe there could be a few admins. or teachers in each school designated to carry and they would have to be trained and certified in gun safety. Agree with above comments that allowing all teachers, admins. to carry is a recipe for an accident.

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Nicole

8:36 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

I think we need to put better security in place but that doesn't mean guns!Teachers are for giving our kids an education.Im all for bullet proff glass and metal detectors scanners that sort of thing.I would also be for teachers & staff members doing a self defense class.Teachers should be armed with the knowledge of how to talk to children and know who is in need of further help.We as parents should also watch and know who are kids friends are and keep our eyes open!I feel pretty good in who my kids have choosen as friends.Lets keep our eyes open and our ears!I pray that the goverment will make ar's illegal and get them off the streets.There is no reason for a home owner to have a milatery style gun!

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Nadia

11:05 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

why not. We should have an "open carry" law in Bucks...everyone should carry a gun, lock in a holster attached to their waist for all too see. If we know everyone has a gun...who wants to pull the trigger first? lol

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Jeremy Beaver

10:20 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Actually Nadia, open carry is legal throughout all of Pennsylvania. Some do carry their firearms openly, I am one of those people. And I have found that no one notices a gun on my hip because hey are too engrossed in their own little worlds to notice anything around them.

Bill W.

11:45 pm on Friday, January 25, 2013

As a 25-year educator, the mere discussion of this proposition makes me physically ill. There is absolutely NO place in any school for a firearm of any kind - period. It goes against everything that a place of education stands for, and it raises so may more security concerns than some people think it could solve. The day this is even considered is the day I walk out the door.

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Marc

9:59 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Thank You!
and the day this is happening, our kids go to a private school, what ever it costs us...

James Deno

9:22 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

First, you don't REQUIRE teachers to carry guns. Srictly volunteer. The gun would have to be concealled. If a teacher accidentally allowed the students to see the gun they would lose their right to carry in the school. Even if only one teacher in a school decided to carry it would have the same effect as having Sky Marshalls on planes. The crazies won't know who is armed and who's not. Designating any place "Gun Free" doesn't help anyone. Even if you were gun free, the worst thing you could do is advertise it!

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NBDavid

11:01 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

AMEN! To Nicole, pray that the citizens of this great country understand that what happened in Germany during Hitlers reign started with exactly what this current administration is trying to do, disarm the citizens, he who doesn't learn from history is bound to repeat it. Check history and you'll find that disarming the citizens is the first step in the government increasing controls. This conversation is not about banning guns it is about "should central bucks teachers carry guns" regardless of your feeling about the legallity of guns, every citizen by virtue of the 2nd amendment of our Constitution has the right to bear arms. It isn't a forced issue, it is a choice and if a teacher makes the choice to bear arms, it should be considered by the district and individual school. Gun Free only works for the good people, those who believe in the law.

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Jeremy Beaver

11:30 am on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Thank you sir. I'm with you 100%.

Pat Flynn

10:28 pm on Saturday, January 26, 2013

Mr
Beaver I'm surprised to hear you went to school
When will this country grow up on gun safety ?

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Maximusdecimus

10:04 am on Sunday, January 27, 2013

Guns in schools may seem crazy, but is leaving hundreds of kids unprotected from the crazy people in the world less crazy? If we do not want to arm trained, evaluated, stable teachers with guns, the. We need to assign a full time police officer to every public school in the country. Leaving our kids unprotected in this crazy, violent world should not be an option

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K D

1:57 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

I am unsure what is best for school security enhancements above and beyond securing access but clearly many many layers of protection are needed. The world is full of nut cases and I don't see that changing... When I drop my sweet, completely innocent elementary aged daughter off each day at school, I want to know that she will be safe from harm....from nut cases. - So, what about mace guns for schools?? They are not deadly weapons but clearly would be effective at stalling an insane shooter. Mace guns shoot up to 20 ft., do not require good aim, and cause extreme eye and respiratory distress for up to 30 minutes. In my opinion, this approach sounds doable. Schools could decide who would have the mace guns, and where they would reside. If some crazy in-school kid got to one of these, no one would die as a result. Thoughts??

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