Poll Results: Reaction to 202 Parkway Mixed
See what people had to say this week about the new Route 202 Parkway.
- By Sarah Larson
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- December 7, 2012
The first work week of the new Route 202 Parkway's existence is drawing to a close.
Many Doylestown Patch users have spent the past few days testing out the new road 8.4-mile road that links Doylestown to Montogomeryville.
In our poll this week, we asked people to weigh in on the new road; will it help ease congestion along the Rt. 202 corridor?
The poll numbers say no. Of those who participated in the poll, 70 percent said the road as it is designed won't help and should have been a 4-lane expressway. About 22 percent of respondents said the road will help, and that it's better than nothing.
The comments, though, reveal mixed feelings.
Sandra Alford said that the traffic lights - there are four between Doylestown and County Line Road, and 10 in all - will slow traffic down. Steve Bohnel and other posters worried about the lack of shoulders.
One commenter offered this:
"I agree that it should have been a four lane limited access 55mph expressway, but it will relieve congestion, nonetheless. Don't forget that the old Dublin Pike Route 202 still exists," said TooleFoole.
"Assuming that the same amount of rush hour commuter traffic exists, it will now be divided between the two routes. The poll asks whether the parkway will "relieve" congestion, not whether it will eliminate congestion, as the expressway would have."
Thanks to everyone for participating in the conversation. Check back on Monday for next week's poll question.
Bob
7:16 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Its better than nothing, but it does dump traffic at a bad intersection of congested 313. The rest of 202 through newhope has become congested as well. I would like to have this extended through NJ and eventually NJ will need to correct its 202 traffic problems from flemington to 287 (currently a parking lot)
David Holewinski
12:22 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
You can thank Henry Rowan of Buckingham for that. He was the biggest roadblock in any proposed solution to the traffic problems of the region. At one point he was heard saying, it doesn't matter to me, I know the back roads. With an attitude like that Buckingham should be proud of him, NOT.
Natalie D'Amato
10:36 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I live in one of the rental homes on the corner of 202 and 313 (historically called Poole's Corner). I see tons of congestion and lots of accidents there, but I obviously have mixed feelings about the 202 extension... Today, PennDOT is coming with my landlord to "look at" the houses, inside and out. Since a 202 extension would go directly through my home, and since PA will inevitably exercise the right of eminent domain, I'm guessing this means I'll have to find a new place to live sometime soon :(
David Holewinski
10:50 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Natalie,
I do feel sorry for the people that will be involved in the PennDOT exercise at Poole's Corner. Again, when the 4 lane section of 202 was built years ago, Poole's Corner and the area between it and the Delaware River was also slated for construction, extending the road as a 4 lane highway. Buckingham in particular along with it's Supervisors including your friend and mine, Henry Rowan put a stop to any construction of that sort. It is unfortunate that the narrow minded group of Supervisors have caused major traffic problems to the Poole's Corner area over the years. I hope you are fortunate enough to find a new residence in the area that isn't impacted by the traffic disaster in Buckingham.
Natalie D'Amato
10:55 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Thanks, Dave.
PJ
8:58 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
It's a shame; I already saw two dead splattered deer on the new 202 roadway when I tried it out on Wednesday. A reminder that having a road through an exclusively wooded area will have consequences. Also in the consequences department, having bikers foolishly allowed on the main roadway (while a safe bike path is available 20 ft away ??) which crosses the traffic turning lanes is dangerous. We should not be surprised to read about the first fatality of an unfortunate biker 'at dusk & wearing dark clothing' and a vehicle owner who never saw the biker when they moved into the proper turning lane on a major roadway (well sort of major, major kind of like a dirt road compared to a paved driveway, better than nothing). I tried out the new road with the idea of timing my travel from Warrington Post Office to Costco. New road shaved about 6 mins off my time, but that was mid-day on a Wednesday. Huge burden to the taxpayers of PA for this road that will likely not aid congestion. To outsiders, this rt 202 bypass is marked poorly. It is labeled by street sign as rt.202 just like the other one. Maybe someone should've called it rt202 BYPASS on the signs too? Confusing just like rt611/rt202 near Doylestown where they are the same then hook this into rt202/ rt202 where one is a bypass and one is not. Giving directions is going to be fun.
David Holewinski
12:28 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Pam, as to the bike lane, that was the request of biker groups who felt the "bike and hike" lane would restrict their speed and safety. As to the desigination of the road, it is the NEW Rt. 202, the previous Rt.202 will revert to street names, Butler Ave. etc. the old Rt. 202 signage will be removed and the new parkway will become the only official Rt. 202.
Mary191
9:09 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
should be 4 lanes all the way
David Holewinski
12:31 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Mary 191, Again, thank a combination of Ed, "fast eddie" Rendell and Henry Rowan, between the two of them they made sure it was delayed and compromised.
GuvBuck
10:20 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Two drives later (morning and evening rush) and I am ready to predict the parkway will be one of the top accident prone roads in the state. I believe it will get better as regular commuters get used to it, but this road can't handle the combination of deer and impatient (tailgating) drivers. Didn't see much police but can't imagine what may happen when they do pull someone over. Oh well, relieves some traffic from the alternative routes.
kevin
10:30 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
it's a second road so it has to relive some congestion, i drove the parkway only once, going from Target in montgomeryville to the 611 bypass on a weekday at 4PM. As soon as i got on at 309 it dropped to two lanes, ughgh, then at the next light it went back to 4 lanes. oh okay...oh wait only for 50 feet, lets everyone merge again! As much as i complain how it was two lanes, 40mph, needlessly bendy, it did only take me 10 minutes to get from target to the bypass. That does seem pretty quick.
Barry Schwartz
11:25 am on Saturday, December 8, 2012
This road appears to have been designed by people who don't commute to work twice a day. Instead of a bike and walking path, there should be four lanes of traffic. I can't imagine how much it cost to build the split rail fence that won't stop a car out of control. The entire project seems like it was built using every politically correct guideline available without considering the purpose. Once the Lower State Road bridge is finally open, I'm guessing this Parkway won't save any time getting from the 309 Expressway to Doylestown.
David Holewinski
12:46 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Barry, it's interesting you should comment on the commute, your commute using the parkway involves 6 traffic signals to get from 309 to 611, using Lower State that number incresases to a minimum of 10 traffic signals. I've used the parkway 5 or 6 times since it's opening and in each case I've saved time by as much as 10 minutes. I believe as time goes on the Parkway will prove to be a wise and efficent alternative to what this region had previously. Thanks to all of those individuals who spent years bucking the system to get the bypass designed, approved and built.
Marc Willig
1:56 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
I traveled it at 10:30 PM on Thursday evening. It just doesn't make sense to have 2 lanes and a 40 mile an hour speed limit. If there is an accident or a breakdown,ithere will be a big traffic jam and lots of headaches.
Diane Check
6:01 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
It only took us 15 minutes to get to Montgomeryville Mall from 611 in Doylestown on Friday night at 6:00 p.m. Only had to stop for a few lights (Rte 152 & Horsham Road) but it was a nice way to get to the mall. So much better than the back roads. So, there's some good and some not so good thoughts on the new road.
G Daniels
7:10 pm on Saturday, December 8, 2012
Big waste of money! I agree with many of the comments. First it's a dangerous road. Its got more curves then any other road, some of them with poor sight lines. There is No shoulder for emergencies, no place for police to sit and set traps. There are existing deer trails they'll continue to follow, and bikers just outside your lane to avoid. Now add the impatient, one hand on the wheel, on the phone , speeding tailgaters, sounds like a video game. Now imagine just how they will be able to clear an accident during rush hour.
Larry Shaeffer
12:32 pm on Sunday, December 9, 2012
did a series of round trips (D-Town to "The Mall") on the new parkway and Upper St. as a loop-3Xs. New Parkway won twice with a time savings of 3min and 4 min. Upper St won once with a time savings of 5 min. So, its not saving the marketed "15 min"(divide each minute into $300 mil for a real "ouch!" moment) And I again call into question the spending of $300 mil on a unnecessary road. the parallel roads are not "country roads" as some residents have called them. Both D-Town Twp and Montgomery Twp in some effort to alleviate their residents fear of rising taxes have bragged that they are "built out." We don't live in the country anymore. Bringing those parallel roads up to standards was the fiscally prudent way to address congestion issues in the corridor-Plus, add capacity at the two corridor bottlenecks (Chalfont boro and Rt. 63/202). All of that could have been done for under $ 25 million. Then the region could have spent $$$ on the regions real congestion issues-like Rt. 611 (btwn County Line and Edison-Furlong Rd), been on that road lately? Or are you all avoiding that road and taking some of Henry Rowan's back roads? And again, this road was not built to alleviate congestion or for safety. It was built to keep the gravy train rolling for all those cronies that were thanked at the end of the ribbon cutting ceremony.
Larry Shaeffer
larryshaeffer@gmail.com
Dave Taylor
5:59 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
It has added time to my commute to and from work, I travel on route 152, and 100% of the time I hit a long red light. The light stays green for 202 way too long. Not happy about that.
Maria
9:05 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Has traffic increased on bristol rd because of bypass??
Deb B
12:51 am on Thursday, December 27, 2012
well it has been a few weeks and I am not impressed. The traffic lights are causing traffic to back up at Bristol, Limekiln, County Line. The speed limit is too slow, but on the other hand, the road has a lot of curves. For the money that was spent, I think that it is obsolete already and the traffic will be just as bad as Butler Pike was.
Joe Russo
2:19 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
I was disappointed at the lack of signage near the 611 interchange. Coming from 202 in NJ, I landed on 611 because I failed to get off at State Street. I went back there today just to see if I missed a sign or something... nope! Perhaps a few months with a sign "Towards 202" would be helpful instead of a cold cutover?
Regina
10:18 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
I agree with most of the remarks in regards to the Parkway being too narrow and the speed limit of 40 miles an hour. I have traveled this road with great trepidation. At times, I feel as though a tractor trailer will be coming right through my window. The trucks drive over the speed limit and have a hard time negotiating the turns in the road. With the lanes being narrow the trucks can easily go into your lane, which they do. Don't forget the drivers who are on cell phones and drive poorly to begin with, this road is a real nightmare to drive on. I agree with the bike lanes and crossing over into their lanes when negotiating an exit turn; very dangerous. The main concern I have are the signs for the division of roads with oncoming traffic. Please put flashing lights there of some kind. There have been cars driving into the oncoming traffic!! I do not like driving on the parkway, it just feels unsafe to me. In the future, there will be accidents and hopefully not deadly ones. Already, part of the fence was taken out by an accident. Also, there needs to be more guard rails put into place. If an oncoming car is approaching and moves into your lane and you try to get out of their way, you will be going down the embankment. The majority of my friends have negative statements about the parkway. It is just too bad it was not designed differently. I voiced my opinion to PennDot and I encourage others to do the same.
mary
3:15 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
I agree with everything written and just to add to the complaints, whomever designed this road must hate bicyclists. This very narrow strip designated to bikers will get someone killed for sure. Whether itis legal or not, bikers should cycle on the walking path. I must say the walking path is really very nice. But i only see one parking area at bristol road. Are there any other parking areas?
ken burkhead
3:43 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013
Roads too narrow,several are banked improperly,Large trucks are veering on the badly bankerd and narrow roads into the oncoming lane creating danger to both oncoming traffic and nearby bicyclists in a too narrow bicycle lane. A further danger to bicyclists is the crossovers. Break down lane is inadequate .I'd hate to change a driverside tire (provided there's room and not mud or plowed snow on the grass strip.
Signage and parking almost non-existant. Splitrail fence expensive to maintain and a real danger in a accident.Who designed this ,a consortium of collision repair shops?