DA: Chalfont Officer Faked Shooting
The Bucks County District Attorney says a Chalfont police officer lied about being shot early Monday morning.
- By Tom Sofield
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- August 28, 2012
OUTSIDE PHILADELPHIA -- A local police officer who said he was shot during a traffic stop early Monday morning has been accused of faking the shooting.
Chalfont Borough Patrolman Jon Cousin, 30, was taken into custody late Tuesday evening by Bucks County Detectives. He faces charges that he lied when he claimed he was rushed by one man and then shot by another in the chest-area of his bullet-proof vest.
Cousin, a father of 1-month-old triplets and another young child, was taken into custody at the county courthouse in Doylestown.
The officer is expected to be charged with false reports to law enforcement, reckless endangerment and several other crimes, District Attorney David Heckler said at a press conference.
The 30-year-old Chalfont resident is expected to undergo a mental evaluation in the coming days, Heckler said.
Cousin reported the shooting shortly after 3 a.m. Monday after he radioed dispatch to report that he was checking on a older-model maroon Oldsmobile Cutlass. He said it had no license plates and was parked in the gravel lot of the Lenape Valley Swim Club on Westview Avenue.
Moments later, the officer can be heard in scanner audio obtained by GunCrisis.org shouting “Get back in the car!”
In the next radio call, Cousin can be heard calmly telling the female dispatcher he had been shot in the chest. He added, "I think my vest stopped it."
The car and the armed assailants were all a “figment” of Cousin’s imagination, Heckler stated.
Heckler and Chalfont Police Chief Frank Campbell told reporters that police started noticing issues with the officer’s story within moments of arriving at the scene.
For one thing, Heckler said, police did not find the gravel in the parking lot where the incident was reported to have occurred disturbed at all. The officers also noticed that Cousin did not have his vest on when they pulled up to the scene.
As the investigation progressed, three bullet casings found at the scene did not match the .380 revolver slug that was lodged in the officer’s bullet-proof vest, Heckler said. The three casings matched the officer’s service pistol.
A canvass of the neighborhood surrounding the swim club gave officials a lead. A nearby resident who was reading a book when the incident occurred was certain she heard only three gunshots. Not the four - one from the subject and three fired by the officer - that Cousin reported, the district attorney said.
Ballistics examination of the evidence and an interview with the officer further showed that the story from the 4-year veteran of the Chalfont department did not add up.
Cousin was taken by ambulance to Abington Memorial Hospital after the shooting and released shortly after, a hospital spokesperson said on Monday. Heckler said the officer did not sustain any noticeable wounds, and a ballistics expert, Montgomery County detective John Finor, said if the officer had been shot in the vest with a .380 round, he would have had some visible injury.
Heckler said the officer had not yet told police why he faked his own shooting.
It was unclear when Cousin’s vest was struck with the bullet, but Heckler said officials don't believe the shot was fired on Monday. The striking bullet was fired from a gun the officer legally owned.
County authorities arrested Cousin after “inviting” him to the courthouse in a “ruse.” Heckler implied the arrest was done that way to ensure the safety of the officer’s family and others.
The DA said he intends to seek restitution from Cousin for the incident’s cost to taxpayers. While he was not sure of the exact cost, he said the investigation has “put the taxpayers through a lot of expense.”
In the hours after the shooting was reported, a massive police presence, including K9s and a helicopter, rushed to the scene. Several detectives at both the local and county level also are working on the case, Heckler said.
Chalfont borough leaders, Heckler and Campbell said they were thankful no one was harmed in the incident.
The borough chief said he could not comment on the officer’s performance with the small eight officer department. He did add that no previous incident like Monday’s were on the officer’s record.
Campbell added he was “frustrated” by the incident.
“The people in Chalfont are safe,” Heckler said.
Chalfont borough manager Melissa Shafer said Cousin has been put on administrative leave and the borough has initiated an employment investigation into the matter.
Doylestown Patch editor Sarah Larson contributed to this report.
marge Weiner
9:40 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
It is so sad that someone can ruin their career by doing somethig like this
c.russell
1:52 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
here in WV last night we lost 2 state troopers -one was a personal friend. - they were shot. a police officer being shot is a real possibility. for someone to "fake "it for attention hope of money whatever is disgusting. Both our troopers died last night. It is a sad commentary that a policeman thinks so little of others that he would do this. OUr world is a sad place.
Barney Sloan
9:44 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I understand he was a vet I wonder if there is some PTSS involved in his actions. Unfortuantely we are too quick to charge people without doing a full investigation.
mary collins finn
1:53 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I'd like to think so. One month old triplets and another child? I bet he was sleep deprived too. I can't help but feel sorry for him and his family. I wish them well.
J
9:47 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
And we trust these clowns to protect us?
Jane
9:55 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I sure don't! I've seen statistics showing that they commit sexual assault at higher rates than the general population, among whatever other misconduct they get up to. If they've got enough time on their hands to arrest kids for drawing with chalk, I think we ought to trim our budget starting with them.
chris blocke
10:13 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
don't judge one bad apple in a buschel.
Jane
10:16 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
No need - more than enough bad apples. Must be a contagious blight.
Smokey
4:02 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
So you use the Plural "Clowns" ? What about the many who risk their lives for you Morons? That's even sadder you won't recognize it..
Smokey
4:08 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@ "J" and "Jane". I've noticed that when an Offocer gets killed you don't volunteer to take his/her place. Secondly, as former military, LEO, (To include flying for the DEA) and EMS Pilot, what have you two done to serve your country or your community except spout off?
Jane
4:17 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I've done pro bono legal work, and am looking to cultivate skills to continue that work for LGBTQ legal needs. I've worked with local food pantries. I've done sexual harassment research, outreach, and intervention. I've also done a lot of education, advocacy, fundraising and political work for children's cancer. I've done advocacy work to assist disenfranchised voters.
It's cute, but wrongheaded, that you and a couple others think anyone who doesn't buy your unquestioning kowtow to the law and order, badge wearing crew, is therefore a bad person. That's really symptomatic of a lot of the problems I HAVE with the badge people in the first place - "Respect mah authoritah or you are scum!"
That is EXACTLY why I am distrustful and cynical about our police and military. Your thinking skills are less developed than your damn trigger fingers.
Smokey
5:21 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
See, by your reply to my response you admit you only help those who further YOUR agenda. I've given aid and protected LGBT, Liberals, young, old, Communist, Conservative, all races, rich, poor, etc. I have no agenda except to be a good American. I help and protect everyone and expect nothing except people treat me as I treat them. Too bad you Liberals don't do the same. Remember the Golden Rule lady!
Jane
5:32 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
You have the honor of having just written literally the stupidest thing I have ever read. Are you actually writing as performance art? You managed to make it about political affiliation and religion? I'm surprised you didn't Godwin it, too!
Yes, that's a HORRIBLE agenda I pursue in helping poor and marginizalized people. Thanks for the chuckle, guy! Politicize children with cancer why dontcha!
Go chant USA and pump your fist some, it'll take some of the stress off your little grey cells.
tony
5:38 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
Lawyers should do the world a service and hang themselves in their basements of their luxurious homes. Then they might actually understand the struggles of actual people. Please don't preach to us about how you've "done pro-bono work" and "work for the food pantry." How about we just let the criminals go to jail and let the real victims can feel safe. Support the L.A.L.campaign!! (Lawyers Are Losers)
Jane
9:47 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I'm not at all shocked a cop lied about events. I'm only shocked a DA actually took action about it. These guys think they are above the law and do what they want.
Nadia
8:07 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
yes...I'm also shocked that Heckler took action against one of their own.
jiza
12:37 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@Jane " I'm a lawyer admitted to practice law "
" I'm not at all shocked a cop LIED about events "
"These guys ( Leo ) think they are above the law and do what they want."
HAHAHAHA
POT KETTLE BLACK!!!
* YOU * lawyers screwed up our country....
Lie in court! Twist the truth to win a case!
Leave LEO's alone.
They actually DO GOOD every day!
Yeah, even the ones that turned rouge still did good.
Jane
12:52 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
jiza, you know I get a notification every time you reword and resubmit this comment right?!?!
I know you've put a lot of effort into your screed explaining how it's the lawyers, and not the people who break the law, that are the problem. You're falling short of the mark of being persuasive. I've heard that argument before, and heard it expressed better. Sure, it's not the SEC frauds, the tax cheats, the bribery in politics, the cops getting away with sexual assault (at higher rates than the general public) and murder, the race issues, the economic inequality, the criminals, sure - it's the *lawyers*. Cute.
The word you are looking for, by the way, to describe the cops who are still good guys even though they rape and murder and lie and whatever else have you, is "rogue". In your current iteration of this comment, you've suggested they go "rouge" sometimes. My problem with cops isn't that they sometimes wear makeup.
jiza
1:24 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
@ Jane
* yawn *
Jane
1:28 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Oh, I can tell how much you don't care by the way you reworded your comment a whole bunch of times and checked back up on it!
tony
5:42 am on Saturday, September 1, 2012
For the record, I am not only anti-lawyer. I am also anti-idiot, and yes, this cop is an idiot. This idiot made hard working good cops have to work ten times harder to regain the public's trust.
Diana Haeussler
9:48 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I feel bad for his wife and triplets at home. It makes no sense!?!?
Lori
11:53 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Thats the true tragedy in all of this, that poor woman and her 4 kids, left alone to deal while this flake is in jail, some father !
Susan Stroh
9:56 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Only Cousin knows why he lied and said he was shot .... Thank God no one was hurt during the investigation and no innocent people were accused of such a horrible crime. Many people are voicing their opinions that they are upset the community wasn't told about this yesterday. One has to understand it takes time to gather solid usable evidence and that lab results were most likely needed to prove the weapon used was one most likely owned by Cousins. I must say I am grateful for the excellent work done by the police and the DA's office.
Regardless of how we feel anger over his actions,
I hope his family gets through this with the moral support and prayers of our town.
Sue
10:05 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
Well said Susan. It's strange and unfortunate, obviously he is disturbed. Let's not forget the real victims here are his wife and children.
JDone
10:41 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
There is so much corruption and wrongdoings in law enforcement anymore that it is hard to have trust in those we are taught to trust. A real shame
Nadia
8:09 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
there are still some good cops out there...but it is becoming difficult to recognize them.
Eric Halperin
11:46 pm on Tuesday, August 28, 2012
I was shocked to hear this story on the news tonight. I just can't imagine why he would do this and alarm everyone in the community like this. I feel bad for his family and his department. I hope he get the help he needs, because obviously he has some major mental issues that need to be treated. Lastly, thank god no one was injured and in a way I'm glad it was a hoax. So sick of seeing cops getting shot or killed on the news. There is something so strange about this incident and I'm hoping his motives are soon realized.
MM
12:16 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Post partum
susan dorsey
10:41 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
yup
Laura Freed
6:01 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I wonder what he has against maroon colored Oldsmobiles? Why not a blue Lexus?
To Jane (the cop hater) - I've met many of the Chalfont cops who are quite awesome and very helpful. As a former paramedic, I've worked and known many different police men/women in Bucks/Montgomery (EMS are paid crap, so they work FT at one station and PT at as many other stations as they can!). Cops aren't ALL perfect, but they have to deal with people like you (Jane) who complain about them but are the type of people who call 911 because their neighbors tree limb is hanging in their yard (true story). People will call and complain that people drive too fast down their street - but then if a cop pulls THEM over for speeding - they complain! It's unreal the amount of BS these cops get put through by the Janes of the community, and the justice system with a prison community that is so overcrowded because liberals complain that pedophiles and rapists and murderers deserve conveniences like comfortable beds, TV, libraries, internet, etc...and every thug that kills cops, robs, rapes, etc...has a 15 page record. Then, on top of all of that, you've got the township managers' trying to cut funds (not the managers' paycheck though!) - so where do they trim the budget? Cops. Some departments have to pay for their own bullet proof vests! Equipment is old, beat up, etc.
98% of cops are awesome. But yes, every so often, there is a cop as clueless as Jane.
Nadia
8:12 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I agree with your sentiments, but not your jabs at Jane.
Jane
8:16 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I've never called 911 - I wouldn't bring one of those criminals to my home or my name to their attention if I could possibly avoid it. And before you make any other accusations about the kinds of crimes I commit - I'm a lawyer admitted to practice law (in another state). The news I read and my casual interactions with cops here, and in the state where I practice law, don't support your 98% figure. I don't put these lazy tax dollar-suckers through anything - I've never been so much as ticketed in the state of Pennsylvania. Nice ad hominem, lady, but it's as much a failure as your biased attempt to pretend that the vastly documented problems in the police force are a rare problem.
Max Gee
6:37 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Funny, they charge this guy, but no charges for murdering an unarmed, handcuffed man in Sellersville. A joke.
Jane
8:17 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Agreed, a joke. But it's on us, the taxpayers, and the families of the people they kill. So not a very funny one.
Bob
7:16 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Glad this was isolated and no one was hurt or accused. It is good to see there wasn't a cover up here by the police department to protect their own...I am still skeptical on the sellersville incident.
It is a shame that this is a waste of tax payers money, but where is the recovery of funds going to come from? If this guy has mental health issues, he will assuming never work...therefore his wife and kids are stuck with it? Or does the town eat the costs?
Nadia
8:14 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
no woman is "stuck" with it... hopefully the wife/kids have strong family/friends support. The cop needs help too.
Nadia
8:03 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
unfortunately most police forces hire a loose canon sooner or later... they pass their psych evaluation. What a shame for his wife/kids and fellow police officers
Jim Latshaw
8:04 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I agree with Laura to a point. I think that only 97% of cops are awesome.
Bobz
8:24 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Gee Laura, a Chalfont cop pulls a stunt like this, endangering the lives of other law enforcement officers, escalating costs for the county, surrounding municipalities and taxpayers, causing innocent motorists driving maroon Oldsmobiles to be pulled over and harassed for no true reason and you take the opportunity to rail against someone you call "the cop hater" and trash-talk liberals? Since you're throwing stones, it's conservatives who ALWAYS knee-jerk-reflex defend ALL cops, ALL the time, who enable bad cops to get away with their bad, many times unlawful, behavior. If you've got a problem with good cops being tarred and feathered with the same brush as someone who perpetuates a hoax like this, then place the blame where it belongs: ON BAD COPS AND THE IDIOTS WHO DEFEND AND ENABLE THEM. You know, like the bad teachers that conservatives claim unions protect?
Laura Freed
9:07 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Yo Bobz - I'm not defending this cop. I say lock him up and throw away the key. I have no sympathy for anyone who pulls stunts like that. Where the heck did I defend him? I'm defending the rest of the cops that Jane lumped together as ALL cops being deviants.
PTSD? Boo freaking hoo. I know many many vets (and have family who saw action in Nam) who come home and don't suffer PTSD. No one knows what the cause is, why he did this, but I'm not a bleeding heart liberal who gives a pass to every emotional excuse people come up with when they commit a crime... AND I'm not a knee jerk defend ALL cops ALL the time. Anytime someone uses the word "always" or "ALL" like you did in your post, immediately shows their bigotry. And by the way, no "innocent" motorists were pulled over. The cops knew something was up immediately and when dispatchers reported a caller saw a maroon colored car, the cops were resumed and didn't bother investigating because, like another reader stated, they knew what was up and were building the case against him, making sure they doted all the i's and crossed all their t's. Bobz - why don't you pull up your big boy pants and go occupy the whiner section of the street?
And Jim Latshaw, okay, maybe you're right, maybe 97%.
Bobz
10:10 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Laura Freed wrote: "...Cops aren't ALL perfect, but they have to deal with people like you (Jane) who complain about them but are the type of people who call 911 because their neighbors tree limb is hanging in their yard (true story). People will call and complain that people drive too fast down their street - but then if a cop pulls THEM over for speeding - they complain! It's unreal the amount of BS these cops get put through by the Janes of the community, and the justice system with a prison community that is so overcrowded because liberals complain that pedophiles and rapists and murderers deserve conveniences like comfortable beds, TV, libraries, internet, etc...and every thug that kills cops, robs, rapes, etc...has a 15 page record. ..."
Nice straw man/unrelated non-sequitur argument. Conservatives like you who deflect attention from the subject at issue (the false report of a police officer regarding his own shooting) to something unrelated like people calling 911 about a neighbor's tree and conditions in prisons attacking "liberals," are the ones with an obvious bias in favor of police BEFORE facts are revealed or if the situation amounts to, "a citizen's word against a cop." That enables and emboldens the "bad apple" cops and borderline bad apples, to continue their bad behavior with impunity much like an alcoholic or drug addict and allows them to sometimes get away scott free when they unlawfully victimize good law abiding citizens.
Bobz
10:11 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
As for your contention that "no innocent motorists were pulled over:" "...Soon police across the region were on the lookout for the vehicle and several cars were stopped or investigated before the search was called off Tuesday evening...Heckler said in addition to the charges, prosecutors will be seeking restitution for the cost of the investigation. He said the charge of official oppression stems from all the unnecessary traffic stops initiated by the hoax. And the recklessly endangering another person charge was the result of the unnecessary gunshots Cousin fired in the swim club parking lot." [Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48820287/#.UD4dud1Tgc8] Looks like you're bias is showing.
"pull up your big boy pants and go occupy the whiner section of the street?" Like I said it's people like you who enable bad behavior on the behalf of police (and other government employees) because they share some of the same biases and political leanings as you and you feel safe in attacking and insulting, aka bullying, others who show or have a different opinion. Sounds like you're the one exhibiting bigotry and who needs to grow up.
Mueller
10:31 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Whoa people. Why has this turned into a personal argument of liberals vs conservatives. This is a sad story about a man who for reasons known only to him made a decision that will effect his family forever. He needs help, whether its PTSD or not. Yes, there are bad cops out there, like bad seeds in every profession. But there are mostly good, decent ppl patrolling our streets and I for one would be very glad to see them if I ever needed to call 911. Pray for this man and his young family.
Rob Ramsey
10:57 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Scary that a man with obvious mental problems could be put in a position of such authority. Don't they have to pass psych test anymore?
Lisa
11:25 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
What a idiot, did he make up this story to get attention
now how is he going to support his family? i guess his wife
will have to get a job now.
Julie G.
11:50 am on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
He is 30 years old,puts his life on the line everyday,and has 1-month old triplets,and another kid,maybe the guy just wanted to have attention paid just to him for once,or wanted to stay in the hospital just to catch a break and relax from all the stress.
Nitrogirl
2:27 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
We all make our bed and then we all have to lay in it. His will now be in a cell. As bad as things can get, we need to think before we act, especially if one is mature enough to have children.
Monkey Boy
12:00 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Bobz has a small Hammer
Bill F
1:06 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Obviously there is some type of poor mental health here. To many of our men & women who wear the uniform have lost their life and many others seriously injured for anyone to actually try and falsify such a tragic incident.
Go Bless All those who serve us so diligently,with pride,honor and courage.
Thank You
The Illuminati
2:47 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
The people who are the angriest about this are the cops that came to this jokers aid! Dozens of cops responded to this call for assistance and when that call comes you get there as fast as you can to help, risking your own safety. The ones who were betrayed were his fellow officers. This was every coos nightmare and he made a mockery of it. For those who don't like cops.. don't trust them... think they are all criminals...tell that to those children who have been left behind because mommy or daddy never came home from work because they were killed serving. Cops are just a microcosm of society. Most people are good people...some are not. Police are no different. You just hope they get weeded out thru vigorous background and mental health checks. Please give the cop bashing a break. It is a job that most people could not or would not do.
Tom Sofield
2:49 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Preliminary Hearing Against Chalfont Cop Set for September 6 - http://patch.com/A-xwc9
JOHN MALDONADO
3:00 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
WELL THIS CAN BE EXPECTED FROM POLICE OR FIREMEN,HOW DO I SAY THIS IF YOU TRY TO SUE A CITY THEY WILL DRAG IT OUT FOR CENTRYS,BUT IF A COP OR A FIREMAN SUE,S THE CITY BECOUSE THEY BROKE A FINGERNAIL OR A 2 YEAR OLD KID THREW A ROCK AT A COP LOOK OUT OFFICER DOWN OFFICER DOWN SEND FOR BACK UP, WELL AS PAST HISTORY SHOWS THE COP WILL SUE THE CITY OR COUNTY AND WIN INSTANTLY $39.000.000.00 WITHIN 2 MONTHES. I THINK THEY DO FAKE LAWSUITS AND SHARE THE MONEY.
MiMi
3:29 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Surely to goodness no one is surprised at this false report.....law enforcement officers are good at doing whatever they have a notion to do....I am quite SHOCKED that this DA pressed charges....which ALL OF THE PROSECUTORS SHOULD DO TO ANYONE WHO LIES....it is sad when people think that since they have a gun and a badge...they can get away with anything....
David
4:48 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
As a 19 year veteran of law enforcement, this story saddens me deeply. It's a shame that an officer pulls a stunt like this, but it's also a shame that people start lumping all officers into the same catergory because of incidents like this. I am by no means perfect, but I take my oath to "serve and protect" very seriously and I realize that by taking that oath, I realize I serve the citizens of my town. By looking at the logic some have shown on here, we should distrust and blame all doctors for one case of malpractice.
Jane
4:58 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
We more or less do... all doctors have to pay increased malpractice insurance. And as a consumer, I can (to a large degree) choose which doctors to see. I can evaluate their credentials, I can "interview" them before being treated by them, I can look for other referrals to make sure they are decent. I don't have that choice or that due diligence with cops - as to either their hiring in towns I live in or visit, or as to my interactions with them. And yet they have far more power over my legal rights than a doctor does, and will have their testimony deferred to if they shoot me.
The Illuminati
5:32 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
So Jane...you have all the answers. All cops are bad...so says you. Offer up a solution. What do you propose to rid the earth of the scourge of police officers? Since it is apparent by your logic that there are no good ones. I await your response.
Jane
5:38 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Well, I am glad you asked.
I think it would be a great start to subject police officers to public performance review, and much better disclosure of information (within the bounds of protecting privacy of citizens).
I would also prefer to have them included in the same democratic processes by which other officials like judges, district attorneys, town council and so forth are elected. That doesn't take away all corruption, but it makes corruption easier to detect. I have pretty good faith in democracy (especially at the local rather than national level), even when it's imperfect - and it's better than the alternatives. We, the voters, could then scrutinize their records, their decisions, their propensity to violence and so forth, and can vest or withhold our trust in them by the election process. If it is thought unwieldy to incorporate all of them into our voting process, I would certainly subject leadership positions to the democratic processes.
That would be my "wish list." I don't think that it's going to HAPPEN, but you asked me to offer up a solution and that's what I sure think would help.
Jane
5:47 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
And thanks by the way - I wouldn't say I have ALL the answers, but I do try to stay informed and aware. It was a family member involved in law enforcement, by the way, who was the first critic of the profession that educated me about their corruption. He recounted stories, for example, of seeing brothers in uniform harassed for advocating for honesty after a fellow law enforcement stole drugs from the evidence room and used them while on the clock. And other stories. I had the pleasure of going to law school with a man who left the police force because of ethics objections, but enjoyed helping people and wanted to pursue law as a way to do that with the deliberate intention of helping his community.
The Illuminati
5:56 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I agree civilian oversight is something that should be looked into. I disagree that having people elected to an office reduces corruption... on the contrary is increases it. See our politicians as an example. Patronage then becomes the problem. If you think elected police are a good thing...check the history books about Tameny Hall. Our elected officials are supposed to oversee the police. Perhaps they are not doing their jobs?
Jane
6:04 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Perhaps they aren't - I agree that too often DA's defer to cops in situations like this, and the Marino case (and I'm glad to see the DA is pressing charges here). But I think more civilian oversight would underline their ability to get away with that.
I'm glad you brought up Tammany Hall - I almost mentioned an interest in history and I'm well aware of the corruption in that era (and the current era). The question, though, is whether our system (with the corruptions that occur) is better or worse than other systems of government - for example absolute (and divine) monarchy, communism, fascism, military dictatorship, etc. I think, wholeheartedly, it IS better. I think those systems had more problems - at least for us little guys. What leaders in some of those systems got away with, puts what cops get away with to the pale.
I at least, can't think of a system better than democracy, to vest power in the people. Anarcho-syndicalism is interesting in theory, but in my opinion lacks enough systems to protect markets and individuals, and would never work in as populous, diverse, and international a world as we live in. I am by no means an anarchist in the traditional sense.
So, I think that *as compared to other systems* elections reduce corruption. I think that holding corruption at bay requires an educated (and disclosed-to) populace. We definitely agree on the power of shining a light on a problem.
The Illuminati
7:26 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
I agree that all people...cops included, should be prosecuted with the same fervor if they are accused of wrongdoing. I am not as jaded as you are with the assertion that there is widespread corruption amongst our local police. I personally know dozens of cops because of the line of work I am in and all if them have and do serve admirably. Many of them having been severely injured in the service of others. I can tell you with absolute certainty that all of them are angered by this cops actions...and they are angered anytime an officer does something that brings dishonor to the profession. Unfortunately, when a cop does it, it is magnified 100x. If a check out clerk beats his wife, it does not make the news, but if a cop does it is on at 6 o'clock. I also think bad cops make great news. The news doesn't cover the cop who delivers a baby in the back seat of his cruiser or gives the homeless guy $5 at the local was to buy some milk and bread...that happens alot more than the scandalous stuff you read about.
Jane
7:51 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Well, I think it IS rightfully a bigger story if the cop beats his wife. The cop's credibility, his inclination to violence and his inclination to break the law are all a lot more important than the shopkeeper's! We don't vest a shopkeeper with "our" badge and gun, to act on our behalf. I support holding those who act as public service, or in law, to higher standards, and that applies to me in my career as well.
What I am most worried about, is the stuff we DON'T hear about because of the code of silence and protecting one another.
Nicole
11:28 pm on Wednesday, August 29, 2012
Being sleep deprived is not what caused him to do this.Im a mother of 4 kids and Im alwsys sleep deprived, and I would never do such a stupid thing like he did. I do feel for his wife and children what he did was not there fault. Praying for those kids and thier mother .
Monkey Boy
9:08 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Jane smells like a monkey and she looks like one too
Lavender Green
10:07 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
funny I hadn't read this story and I probably wont, what got me was the "monkey" comment which I found very childish. But anyway, I believe no one is above the law, I believe that no one has the right to abuse another, I believe that Jane is right about the "CODE OF SILENCE". I have known many cops personally and they are really all the same, they believe they can do things others cant because they are the law, yes I have seen this first hand, driving in a car with a cop doing 100 mph when the limit is 45, ummm no ticket there. With that said any public figure should serve as a role model, teacher so to speak, its like raising children with the do as I say but not as I do ethic, If a cop breaks the law he should be treated the same as if it were a regular non cop person. That goes for all public figures, because its not just the cops who have that code, it goes up the ladder and onto the ones who represent them.
Monkey Boy
11:31 am on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Lavender Green that's like saying all blacks are bad people! You stupid monkey hater! Lavender hates blacks!!!!
Lavender Green
12:37 pm on Thursday, August 30, 2012
Funny, well those who know me know that I don't discriminate against anyone's color, race, sexual orientation, religious beliefs and so on, what I do not like is ignorant stupid people. So before you go and spout off those horrible lies know your facts! If you read the actual words that i wrote its stating that anyone and everyone should be treated the same!
John A Daley
5:32 pm on Friday, August 31, 2012
Wow people! Obviously the guy has some kind of issues. What they are and how they were effecting him only he knows right now. Hopefully simeon can find this out and give him the help he needs. It is a very sad situation for his family.
I can't understand judging all cops based on his actions. And although his actions were very wrong, it didn't seem to me that anyone that doesn't have ALL of the facts has any place judging him either. Obviously there are some good and honest cops and investigators working on this case because it wasn't covered up jut to protect "one of their own". So let these people do their jobs and decide what actions need to be taken. It's a shame that something led this man to these actions but instead of condoning our condemning, lets make decisions about our reactions based on all of the facts wich are not ALL clear yet.
Lavender Green
1:48 pm on Friday, September 7, 2012
John, My comment is based on facts, I no alot of police officers and although they are nice people they believe they can do minor things (speed, text while driving and so on) and not be punished. I agree there might be some out there who are honest but they are few and far between! Everyone has issues and yes I hope this person gets the help they need.